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#1 George Rowell

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 04:37 AM

Tesla has had an awful ride in the last quarter. Some call Elon Musk a con man and others a visionary. I am inclined to the latter. It seems that millennials could get bled badly for their support in the coming months.

https://markets.busi...19-5-1028163296
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Posted 02 June 2019 - 09:53 PM

Down another 60 bucks since that article was published, I think I mentioned this is another thread about Telsa but I sold my stocks the instant I read that they were blaming their customers for autopilot crashes. It was bad PR but also just inexcusably immoral behaviour.
Ever since everything Musk has touched has been dying, he seems like a bad person so that's alright with me.

https://www.cnbc.com...e-watching.html
This article seems about right, the debt pile is just too high, might not end up bankrupt but seem likely to be scooped up by someone on the cheap. I thought they would turn it around after all the super-fast robots injuring employees foolishness was sorted out, but apparently not.
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Posted 02 June 2019 - 10:40 PM

I have been looking at Tesla shares the last year and concluded that the share price has been manipulated regularly. I do confess that on the latest down, at $192, I decided to get in and buy. Fortunately I had not filled in my W8 form and was delayed. Meanwhile the share price leveled out and everybody started waiting to see which way it would go - so I did too. Now it has eased another $6 down to $185.8.

The debt pile is enormous but there is a lot of sentiment moderating the share price. I am still dithering on this one.
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Posted 02 June 2019 - 10:52 PM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 02 June 2019 - 10:40 PM, said:

I have been looking at Tesla shares the last year and concluded that the share price has been manipulated regularly...
LOL, this is too much, everything is a conspiracy!
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Posted 02 June 2019 - 11:16 PM

No conspiracy. Musk leaks rah rah rah letters, others shout doom and gloom and the smart investors can rely on regular seesaw price fluctuations. It is all just business and I think about that way. I don't really care why.
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Posted 02 June 2019 - 11:22 PM

Conspiracy laws should be abolished!
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Posted 03 June 2019 - 08:22 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 02 June 2019 - 11:22 PM, said:

Conspiracy laws should be abolished!
Haha, you've already stepped in on this topic on these forums before..
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Posted 04 June 2019 - 07:33 PM

Tesla...Has a decent car model. A really stink-y sales model. Even worse- delivery. I love so much that Musk thinks he can revolutionize the car business- electric- but can't seem to manufacture it. Least of all at an affordable price. This is car fashion. They don't suck, any more than a super-cool designer suit doesn't suck. Anybody remember the DeLorean? Tesla might not die. But their creator will have to get his head out of clouds. That's not conspiracy. It's business.
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Posted 05 June 2019 - 10:07 AM

View PostPractical Girl, on 04 June 2019 - 07:33 PM, said:

Tesla...Has a decent car model. A really stink-y sales model. Even worse- delivery. I love so much that Musk thinks he can revolutionize the car business- electric- but can't seem to manufacture it. Least of all at an affordable price. This is car fashion. They don't suck, any more than a super-cool designer suit doesn't suck. Anybody remember the DeLorean? Tesla might not die. But their creator will have to get his head out of clouds. That's not conspiracy. It's business.

I get the impression that Musk is a big ideas guy whose strength is looking for and inventing products for new markets. What they need right now to balance him out is a nuts and bolts style CEO who knows how to make an organization run. For Tesla that means NO MORE NEW MODELS until they can efficiently manufacture, sell, and deliver the existing lineup.
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Posted 08 June 2019 - 11:55 PM

 LFC, on 05 June 2019 - 10:07 AM, said:

I get the impression that Musk is a big ideas guy whose strength is looking for and inventing products for new markets. What they need right now to balance him out is a nuts and bolts style CEO who knows how to make an organization run. For Tesla that means NO MORE NEW MODELS until they can efficiently manufacture, sell, and deliver the existing lineup.
I support the balance him out philosophy. In a large established corporation there is no incentive for top people to either go for long term projects that leave share prices idling and shareholders fretting OR get involved in ventures with risk that can backfire on them - remember the 5 stages of a project. Musk + a Nuts and Bolts guy (I equate these accountants because unless they are watched they can make a profit until the company finally implodes through insuffienct R&D and cost cutting).

I personally think that to get where he is today Musk is truly amazing but he needs a moderator.
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Posted 09 June 2019 - 12:05 AM

Jobs had Wozniak, Gates had Allen, etc. So yes, you need both a visionary and someone capable of executing. A technology company is pretty much doomed unless it has both.
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Posted 13 June 2019 - 03:46 AM

I thought a look at the share prediction gurus would be in order;

https://www.cxoadvisory.com/gurus/
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Posted 13 June 2019 - 08:05 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 13 June 2019 - 03:46 AM, said:

I thought a look at the share prediction gurus would be in order;

https://www.cxoadvisory.com/gurus/

Less than 50/50. Aaaawwwweeeeesome.
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Posted 02 July 2019 - 02:00 AM

Thinking of Tesla reminds me of Musk's gripe about shorts. When you think about about it it sort of pisses you off that these guys in effect loan your shares without your permission or knowledge so that they can bet against you and harm you. Something cockeyed somewhere.
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Posted 02 July 2019 - 08:47 PM

Tesla made it to 97000 delivered cars and beat the shorts. Good. Price increase $182-240 from start of thread. Wait 1hr after start of trade and sell. Buy later when the shorts and doom messages have had an effect. Predictable as the sun.
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Posted 06 July 2019 - 02:01 AM

I am not suggesting anything but this is interesting. Goldman Sachs are one of Tesla's major shareholders and one of their biggest critics. Such impartially is rarely observed. Seriously not implying anything but it is curious.

Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC (Private ... 1.00% 1,738,548 321,909,548 +442,562 +34.15%

Tesla price target cut by Goldman Sachs for 4th time of 2019 ...
https://www.business...-in-2019-2019-6

20 Jun 2019 ... David Tamberrino, an analyst at Goldman Sachs, cut his price target for Tesla to $158 on Thursday — 29% below the stock's current price.

Goldman Sachs cuts Tesla price target - CNBC.com
https://www.cnbc.com...ice-target.html


20 Jun 2019 ... Goldman Sachs slashed its price target on Tesla on Thursday and said it was expecting shares to continue to decline over concerns about ...

Goldman Sachs, Citi Aid Tesla Capital Raise Despite Analysts ...
https://realmoney.th...-sell--14946612

2 May 2019 ... Tesla (TSLA) is generating interest as it appears to be heeding the market's calls for a capital raise. However, Goldman Sachs (GS) and ...

Tesla receives lower price target as Goldman questions 'sustainable ...
https://www.teslarat...model-3-demand/

20 Jun 2019 ... In a note to the firm's clients on Thursday, Goldman Sachs analyst David Tamberrino questioned the “sustainable demand” for Tesla's Model S, ...

Tesla's second-quarter sales are as good as it gets, Goldman Sachs ...
https://www.marketwa...says-2019-06-20

23 Jun 2019 ... Tesla Inc. may sell about as many vehicles in the second quarter as Wall Street is predicting, but that would be the year's high-water mark for ...

What Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley see ahead for Tesla in ...
https://www.marketwa...2019-2018-12-18
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18 Dec 2018 ... Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley keep their ratings on Tesla stock unchanged and offer different predictions for 2019.

Tesla (TSLA) rally gets stopped by Goldman Sachs' lack of vision ...
https://electrek.co/...lack-of-vision/

20 Jun 2019 ... Tesla (TSLA) was on a rally over the past few days, but it has now reversed after Goldman Sachs came out with a new note telling its clients that ...

Historical Tesla [TSLA] Forecasts From Goldman Sachs, David ...
https://cleantechnic...vid-tamberrino/

21 Jun 2019 ... Goldman Sachs analyst David Tamberrino came out with a bearish downgrade for Tesla [TSLA] this week (full disclosure: I'm long TSLA).

Massive problems at Tesla, Goldman Sachs may get into hotels ...
https://finance.yaho...-144631949.html

20 May 2019 ... Tesla, Goldman Sachs, Ryanair, Nike and Lionsgate are the companies to watch.

A doubting Goldman Sachs on Tesla again - Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ ...
https://seekingalpha...man-sachs-tesla

20 Jun 2019 ... Goldman Sachs drops its price target on Tesla (TSLA) to $158 from $200 to adjust for lowered volume expectations for the second half of 2019.
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Posted 06 July 2019 - 10:47 PM

View PostJ-CA, on 02 June 2019 - 10:52 PM, said:

LOL, this is too much, everything is a conspiracy!
How to legally manipulate stock prices. Of course pump and dump and short and distort are illegal, but proving it is another matter. In TSLA case there are a lot of shorters and - merchants of doom, all at arms length.

https://www.thebalan...-prices-3140856
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Posted 19 August 2019 - 03:04 PM

Elon Musk's Tesla that was shot into space completed its first full orbit of the sun.

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Starman and his Tesla Roadster are now regular denizens of space. According to data from Where is Roadster, the cosmic driver has completed his first orbit around the Sun, taking 557 days since the first Falcon Heavy launch to circle our home star. Its path has taken it over 762 million miles since then, or enough to exceed its original 36,000-mile warranty over 21,000 times.

You aren't about to see Starman drifting through the night sky, unfortunately. Earth is currently on the opposite side of the Sun, and the EV won't get vaguely close to Earth again until November 5th, 2020, when it'll be about 0.346AU (just under 32.2 million miles) away. It'll get much closer to Mars before then at 'just' 0.05AU (about 4.6 million miles) on October 7th of that year. After that, it could get quite lonely for Starman -- estimates suggest he might not get particularly close to home until 2047.

Of course, that's also assuming humanity doesn't come out to meet him sooner. SpaceX itself is edging closer to deep space flight, and the US hopes to send people to Mars in 2030 or later. There's a possibility that deep space travel will have become relatively routine by the time Starman pays a visit to his home planet.

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Posted 19 August 2019 - 03:47 PM

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According to data from Where is Roadster...

I saw that phrase and thought of an old preschool ditty (pay close attention at 1:34)...


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