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Posted 08 May 2019 - 02:49 PM

Josh Marshall is no Sean Hannity or Alex Jones. He's incredibly restrained at times so when he starts putting the pieces together on something this big I tend to sit up and listen. Apparently Rudy has been running around and using the leverage of the U.S. presidency to try to get foreign governments to weigh in and help Trump politically. We thought it was bad enough when he publicly called on Russia to steal Clinton's emails but now they're trying to bring other foreign governments in to help.

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Last week I flagged this stunning and egregious story about Rudy Giuliani, the President’s private lawyer, going abroad to use to use the President’s power to enlist other governments to attack President Trump’s enemies. Giuliani has been globe-trotting like this for two years. In most cases, we don’t really know what he’s doing. In most cases he’s likely just collecting money. But in this case he’s using threat or inducement of the President’s power to target the President’s political enemies and then looping the corrupt Attorney General into the process.

This latest Trump/Giuliani gambit managed to get laundered into The New York Times via outlets like the propaganda chop shop at The Hill under John Solomon.

But here are some key new details.

Bloomberg News has now looked at the charges leveled in the Times. Basically even on its own terms it falls apart. The timeline doesn’t even hold up. The charge itself was always marginal at best. Vice President Biden was the lead in a pan-European effort to get a compromised state prosecutor out. What’s more, the current prosecutor denied the Times’ claim that he had reopened the case.

It’s important to remember here that whatever the facts of this underlying case, the most pressing issue for the US is having an emissary of the sitting President visiting foreign countries and leveraging them to target the US President’s political enemies. In the case of Ukraine, so on the ropes with Russia’s presence in the east, the favor of the US President is an almost existential matter. But there’s more.

You may have seen the news that the US Ambassador to Ukraine is being recalled early from her post. Given the fraught politics surrounding everything in the US-Russia, US-Ukraine relationships, it’s no surprise that people speculate this may be tied in some way to something other than a normal diplomatic rotation. But … well, it turns out it does.

Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, largely out of the mainstream media’s eye, has been the target of attacks from Giuliani, John Solomon and other members of the Trump family mafia for something like a year, both seeking to connect her to Hillary Clinton’s purported 2016 “collusion” with Ukraine but also attempts to work with the out-going Ukrainian government to damage Joe Biden in advance of the 2020 campaign.

Career diplomats and members of the national security establishment bemoan a career State Department official being brought down by this kind of Trump family mafia claptrap and agitprop. They’re absolutely right to do so. But perverting the US criminal justice system and trying to goad foreign friends into targeted the President’s domestic political enemies is a far bigger deal.

Here’s a few example from Josh Rogin’s piece in the Post which unpacks this part of the story …


Hmmmm. What's the word for this? Oh, that's right! COLLUSION!
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 03:25 PM

Rudy's not doing anything that Jared Kushner's sister or the Chinese lady who owned massage parlors and hung out at Ostentatious White House in Florida weren't doing. What good is having friends in high places if you can't profit from it? He's just smart...

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Posted 10 May 2019 - 10:27 AM

Giuliani is off to Ukraine to solicit foreign help in the upcoming election. Remember that this is the party that just looooovvvvvves the flag and the Constitution. It's a pity they don't give a shit or even understand what they mean.

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Rudy Giuliani is heading to Ukraine on a mission to try to convince that country’s leaders to launch investigations that could prove politically useful for President Trump, the New York Times reported Thursday.

Giuliani is reportedly in search of information regarding how the investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign’s possible collusion with Russia “really” began, as well as potentially damaging leads on former Vice President Joe Biden.

“We’re not meddling in an election, we’re meddling in an investigation, which we have a right to do,” Giuliani told the newspaper.

“There’s nothing illegal about it,” he continued. “Somebody could say it’s improper. And this isn’t foreign policy — I’m asking them to do an investigation that they’re doing already and that other people are telling them to stop. And I’m going to give them reasons why they shouldn’t stop it because that information will be very, very helpful to my client, and may turn out to be helpful to my government.”


Unlike the Mueller investigation which was based on Trump campaign / Russian contacts that were lied about this is much like the FBI "deep state" accusations. It's simply fabricated out of thin air for political purposes.
" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 10 May 2019 - 03:04 PM

TPM continues following this horrific abuse of power.

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If you’re still worried about the collusion described in the Mueller Report forgot about that because it probably means you’re not focused enough on how President Trump’s top advisors are already, more or less openly, trying to muscle Ukraine into targeting Trump’s political enemies in the US to throw the 2020 election in Trump’s favor.

I really cannot overstate how important this is.

As you know, Ukraine remains highly dependent on the United States, diplomatically, economically and even militarily, at least in the sense of arms sales. Russia continues a de facto occupation/insurgency in the country’s east. Crimea has already been annexed by the Russian Federation. The government of Ukraine is in little position to say no to anything the US government asks for.

There’s already substantial evidence that Trump used his leverage to get the Ukraine government to end its cooperation with the Mueller probe in 2018. There’s really little question this happened. The open question is whether the President or his representatives had to ask explicitly or whether the government didn’t need to be told.

In any case, the President is now sending his personal representative, Rudy Giuliani, to Kiev to meet with thee incoming government of Ukraine to demand that the new government begin investigations into Hillary Clinton’s campaign, into the ‘origins’ of the Mueller probe and finally to target former Vice President Joe Biden. The claims against Biden are really bogus on their face and others have said as much. Bloomberg found that even key claims Giuliani coaxed the Times into publishing a week ago were false. But these issues are almost beside the point. The President is using his leverage as commander-in-chief to demand that the highly dependent government of Ukraine to target his political enemies in the US.

To the extent President Trump has leverage over Ukraine, that is not his personal property or asset. It’s power he exercises on behalf of the American people. But here he’s using it openly to target political enemies.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 01:24 PM

Like all things Trump this is turning into a complete and total shit-show. Giuliani canceled the trip and somehow claims he was "set up." By who? Himself?

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The President’s personal lawyer reversed course on Friday evening and decided to not take a trip to Ukraine, where he intended to request the government launch investigations that would be politically useful to President Trump.

“I will step back and just watch it unfold,” he told Fox News on Friday evening after declaring he had cancelled the trip. He then spun a conspiracy theory demonizing the Ukrainian government.

“No trip because I believe I was walking into a bunch of people, one of whom already has found to be involved on this, and I think this was a setup. The whole thing, by the way, is a setup. From the very beginning. That is what your gonna find,” Giuliani said.


Josh Marshall notes that in today's day and age that the trip itself doesn't really matter.

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Rudy Giuliani has now canceled his trip to Ukraine in which he planned to pressure the new government to launch investigations into Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. But this is irrelevant. It’s not 1810. Giuliani doesn’t need a personal visit to plot his schemes. We have phones, video conferencing, private jet transnational intermediaries. What’s more, this is a plot that goes back months. Indeed, Giuliani has peppered his cancelation with new threats, suggesting that the new government in Ukraine may be enemies of America. “I’m not going to go because I think I’m walking into a group of people that are enemies of the president, in some cases, enemies of the United States.”

It’s yet more of the same, leveraging the country’s foreign and national security power (which is of course immense and unparalleled in the world) to target political enemies at home, high crimes by any definition.


Now that it's hitting the fan the Trump campaign is trying to backpedal away from it ... sorta'.

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A spokesman for the Trump campaign on Friday tried to distance the President’s reelection effort from Rudy Giuliani’s plan to urge the Ukrainian government to conduct investigations that could help Trump politically.

Yet throughout an interview on MSNBC, the spokesman, Marc Lotter, would not condemn Giuliani’s effort or commit to not using any information uncovered by a Ukrainian probe.


Democrats are ready to hit back with an investigation. I suspect the House will pick this up shortly. Will they be able to do anything material? No, but they can prevent the Trumpies from controlling the conversation and increase the disgust of those who aren't part of his mouth-breathing base.

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Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) raised alarm over Rudy Giuliani’s actions on behalf of President Trump in Ukraine on Friday evening and called for an investigation.

Murphy wrote to the Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which he sits on, and said he was “alarmed” and “deeply concerned” by Giuliani’s intentions. Giuliani later canceled his trip to the Ukraine where he planned to ask the new government to launch investigations into issue that would be politically useful to Trump — like how the Russia probe “really” began and former Vice President Joe Biden’s son.

“I am deeply concerned about the implications of this for United States foreign policy. Specifically, Rudolph Giuliani, the President’s personal lawyer, has apparently held meetings with Ukrainian officials in the United States and plans to travel to Ukraine for further discussions,” Murphy wrote in the letter addressed to Sen. Jim Risch (R-ID), obtained by NBC News. “As far as we know, none of these meetings are being coordinated with the U.S. State Department or other government agencies.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 01:27 PM

Trump doesn't think he needs Giuliani anyway. It's just fine to have Barr "investigate" his political opponents at his whim. I'm sure Barr feels the same way.

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President Trump on Friday confirmed what many have long suspected: He thinks it’s “appropriate” for him ask his attorney general to investigate his political opponents.

“Certainly it would be an appropriate thing to speak to him about, but I have not done that as of yet. … It could be a very big situation,” he said during an interview with Politico on Friday, discussing the possibility of a probe into his potential 2020 rival, former Vice President Joe Biden, or his son, Hunter Biden.



Adam Schiff? Not so much.

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House Intelligence chairman Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) slammed President Donald Trump on Sunday for claiming that he could ask the Attorney General Bill Barr to investigate 2020 rival Joe Biden.

“Here the President of the United States is saying it’s perfectly okay for him — and he has said this before — to go to the attorney general and get them to open an investigation of his rivals,” Schiff said during a “This Week” interview on ABC. “Sadly, this attorney general has turned out to be so political and so partisan and so frankly without integrity, he just might do it.”

The House Intel chairman told George Stephanopoulos that going after Biden’s son is “just a method of going after someone the President believes is his most formidable opponent.”

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 02:36 PM

If Barr is investigating Biden's ties with Ukraine he can also look at Giuliani while he's at it. Same country.

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 07:01 PM

 golden_valley, on 12 May 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

If Barr is investigating Biden's ties with Ukraine he can also look at Giuliani while he's at it.

That’s crazy talk!

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 04:54 PM

Ukraine on Giuliani's attempt at getting foreign help with attacks on a political opponent: "Huh?"

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Ukraine’s attorney general equivalent says that his country is not investigating Joe Biden or his son Hunter over their activities in the Eastern European nation, despite coaxing from Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani for them to do so, Bloomberg reports.

“I do not want Ukraine to again be the subject of U.S. presidential elections,” Ukraine prosecutor general Yuriy Lutsenko told Bloomberg.

Conservative media began to push a narrative earlier this year of the Biden family’s supposedly nefarious activities in Ukraine, alleging that, as Vice President, Joe Biden used his influence to fire a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating the position of his son, Hunter, on the board of a Ukrainian gas company called Burisma.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

"That's the problem with being implacable foes - no one has any incentive to treat you as anything more than an obstacle to be overcome."

"The 'Road to Serfdom' is really all right turns." --Progressive Whisperer

""The GOP ... where every accusation is also a confession." --Progressive Whisperer





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