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Posted 15 April 2019 - 01:05 PM

Massive fire. It's still ongoing but the iconic spire has collapsed. It remains to be seen if this ends up being near total destruction.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 02:30 PM

Trump suggests Paris use "flying water tankers" to help put out the fire because dumping thousands of gallons of water on a single building in a densely populated city is the same thing as fighting a forest fire, I guess.

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Experts said that the president’s proposal would likely make the situation more dangerous.

“If you hit that with tons of water from above, that’s going to collapse the entire structure and make the situation worse,” said Wayne McPartland, a retired New York City Fire Department battalion chief. “If you miss, you might hit civilians in the street.”

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Posted 15 April 2019 - 02:32 PM

My- It was hard to see the spire collapse. I have a passing knowledge of architecture, and I think it's a truth- this place, with a stone interior, will heat up hotter than any oven you've ever known. This is a great tragedy, for a World Heritage site. And I think it's a huge loss, even if the Parisians don't hit it with Trump-style water from the air.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 03:56 PM

This hits hard. The structure, the tangible artworks (questionable how much could realistically be salvaged)—gone in mere hours. Three family members have been there, and all of them are just devastated to think the beauty they saw first-hand is just gone.
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Posted 15 April 2019 - 04:36 PM

I was there as an 8 year old. Impressed me a lot. A loss for the world.
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Posted 16 April 2019 - 10:33 AM

When something has lasted for 850+ years it seems indestructible. Think of how many lives went on in and around Notre Dame during those years. I'm glad I got to see it in person. I'm so sorry that it happened during Holy Week, even though any time would have been a bad time.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 12:15 PM

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 12:28 PM

Memes have started as you can imagine. These two are actually pretty brutal.

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:50 PM

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It appears much of the stone vaulting is intact!!! What many people dont understand is that, just like a house, a cathedral has a ceiling, an "attic" with support trusses, and then a roof laid on top of that. When you look up, you see the "ceiling," which is the stone vaulting. ABOVE that were the 800-y/o oak timbers (Notre Dame was the LAST cathedral in France that had not had its original roof timbers burned either in the Revolution or the wars) and the roof. THAT is what burned. If the stone vaulting held, the inside was at least partially protected. The hole we see is where the spire (or flèche) collapsed.

Edit: until we have a conclusive statement from the titular organists, the curator, or the organbuilder most recently associated with it, we cannot assume anything about the state of the great pipe organ.

Edit: officials will meet at 08.00 (Paris) to determine if the structure is stable enough for operations to take place inside.

Edit at 08.00 (Paris) - I received a message from Bertrand Cattiaux, the organbuilder who completed the most recent renovation of the organ, that there is still no news on the condition of the grand orgue.

Edit: Until the team of expert engineers and architects finish assessing the stability of the building, no one is allowed into the cathedral.

Major EDIT!!!: According to a qualified member of the Ministry of Culture (the FIRST reliable, official report we have received), the organ APPEARS to have escaped major damage! A thorough inspection has not been conducted. We will await further details, with hope.

Edit: According to Vincent Dubois, one of the titular organists of Notre Dame, the organ is largely preserved!!

« Contrairement aux rumeurs qui ont circulé tôt ce matin, le grand orgue est, a priori, sauvé. Il a quelques flaques d’eau à gauche et à droite, mais rien de dramatique. Le buffet serait épargné, ainsi que la tuyauterie… C’est miraculeux. Nous étions en contact toute la nuit avec mes collègues Olivier Latry et Philippe Lefebvre et nous n’y croyions plus. C’est la dalle de couverture en pierre qui relie les deux tours qui a sauvé l’instrument : il n’y a pas de charpente à cet endroit-là du toit : l’eau envoyée par les pompiers a donc coulé de part et d’autre et n’est pas tombée sur la tribune de l’orgue. En revanche, si les voûtes de la nef, très fragilisées, ne sont pas rapidement consolidées, il faudra probablement démonter l’orgue et trouver un atelier assez grand pour le mettre à l’abri. Il n’en existe pas de tel en région parisienne. Tout l’enjeu est de savoir, très vite, si les clés de voûte vont résister au poids de l’eau et du plomb fondu qui s’y est déversé. L’orgue de chœur n’a pas brûlé non plus, mais il a, en revanche, totalement pris l’eau. Il faudra voir ce qu’il en reste… Il faudra attendre des années avant de pouvoir rejouer cet instrument, mais l’essentiel était qu’il ne finisse pas en cendres. Nous prendrons notre mal en patience et nous nous mobiliserons pour sa remise en état, une fois qu’il aura pu être examiné de près. »

Edit: A message from Olivier Latry, the primary organist of Notre Dame, confirms that the organ is safe, though there is much work ahead:

Dear all,

In these tragic moments for the Cathedral, you have been extremely numerous to send kind words of support, all more moving than the others, either by e-mail, SMS, FaceBook, Instagram or on the phone.

I will never thank you enough for that. I would have liked to respond personally to each of you, but given the urgency of the situation, it is unfortunately not possible for me, at least for the moment. I hope you’ll understand.

Notre-Dame, who had resisted revolutions and wars, burned in a few moments. 855 years destroyed in four hours ... Like you, I feel terribly sad, with contained rage, total sorrow. The images that we have seen are horrible. How not to think that we are in a bad dream? Reality comes back to us, unfortunately.

Despite all the damage in the Cathedral, the organ miraculously escaped the flames, as well as the water supposed to extinguish them. It is very dusty, but will continue to enjoy us as soon as the building will be restored. When? No one knows yet. « Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up. » (John, 2). It will surely take more time in Notre-Dame, but I still live with great confidence and hope.

With warmest regards.

Olivier Latry

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 09:26 AM

Notre Dame's 3 iconic rose windows are safe after the fire

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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 10:39 AM

They've already raised $1B for repairs and restoration. I heard this AM that most of it was from major corporations so this number will most definitely climb as they make a more general plea for donations. Interestingly on the news this AM they made note that nothing has come out of the Vatican other than basically "thoughts and prayers." Maybe they should sell a few precious works of art they have stashed away to help restore a precious work of art ordinary people can actually see.

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Nearly $1 billion has already poured in from ordinary worshippers and high-powered magnates around the world to restore the fire-ravaged Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, after the French president set a controversial five-year deadline to get the work done.

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Presidential cultural heritage envoy Stephane Bern told broadcaster France-Info on Wednesday that 880 million euros ($995 million) has been raised in just a day and a half since the fire. Contributions came from near and far, rich and poor — from Apple and magnates who own L’Oreal, Chanel and Dior, to Catholic parishioners and others from small towns and cities around France and the world.

The French government is gathering donations and setting up a special office to deal with big-ticket offers.

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 09:31 PM

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"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers arc in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

— Carl Sagan
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
1995


“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

— H.L. Mencken
On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe


“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.”

— Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Second inaugural address January, 1937

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 07:41 AM

Another view that restoration of the cathedral is not one of the better causes you could be donating to.

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