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Posted 12 April 2019 - 11:19 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 10 April 2019 - 08:06 PM, said:



I should think not. News coverage is another matter though.
Once upon a time, I remember hearing that “correct” journalistic style dictated that only M.D.s and the like were to be referred to in reporting as “Dr.” OTOH, Ph.D.s mentioned were to be referred to as “Mr./Ms.” So, in the papers, my M.D. buddy gets named as “Dr. Miller,” or “S.B. Miller, M.D.”, whereas I would simply be “Ms. PhD” or “B. PhD”

That said, like baw1064, I rarely (I can think of one time in the last decade!) refer to myself as “Dr. PhD”. I don’t think I’ve even been addressed as “Dr. PhD” in some years.
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Posted 12 April 2019 - 12:46 PM

View PostBact PhD, on 12 April 2019 - 11:19 AM, said:

Once upon a time, I remember hearing that “correct” journalistic style dictated that only M.D.s and the like were to be referred to in reporting as “Dr.” OTOH, Ph.D.s mentioned were to be referred to as “Mr./Ms.” So, in the papers, my M.D. buddy gets named as “Dr. Miller,” or “S.B. Miller, M.D.”, whereas I would simply be “Ms. PhD” or “B. PhD”

That said, like baw1064, I rarely (I can think of one time in the last decade!) refer to myself as “Dr. PhD”. I don’t think I’ve even been addressed as “Dr. PhD” in some years.

Right now I'm organizing the schedule for a conference. Some of the speakers are MDs, some PhDs, some both, some neither. How to identify credentials in the program has been kind of an issue. We decided not to identify anyone as Dr. ___, but to list their degree(s) if they have a doctorate.
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Posted 12 April 2019 - 01:18 PM

View PostBact PhD, on 12 April 2019 - 11:19 AM, said:

Once upon a time, I remember hearing that “correct” journalistic style dictated that only M.D.s and the like were to be referred to in reporting as “Dr.”

Well, that was at the NY Times at any rate and ISTR the AP followed.

Curiously, this is a 180-degree switch from not all that long ago. "Doctor" (or "Dottore") was once reserved for the people who were qualified to teach in the universities. In the 19th century, the assorted barbers, herbalists, and other quacks (i.e. everyone) got tired of the scholars having a restricted title and demanded that they, too, be called "doctor." Before you knew it, dentists, people coming out of a year or two at Bastyr, or one of the assorted chiroquactic joints were demanding equal treatment. They were successful enough that nobody seems to question the practice of a Bastyr grad being called "Doctor Quack" while Nobel laureates in everything but Medicine or Physiology (and then only the ones with MDs) are denied that recognition.
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Posted 12 April 2019 - 01:45 PM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 12 April 2019 - 01:18 PM, said:

Well, that was at the NY Times at any rate and ISTR the AP followed.

Curiously, this is a 180-degree switch from not all that long ago. "Doctor" (or "Dottore") was once reserved for the people who were qualified to teach in the universities. In the 19th century, the assorted barbers, herbalists, and other quacks (i.e. everyone) got tired of the scholars having a restricted title and demanded that they, too, be called "doctor." Before you knew it, dentists, people coming out of a year or two at Bastyr, or one of the assorted chiroquactic joints were demanding equal treatment. They were successful enough that nobody seems to question the practice of a Bastyr grad being called "Doctor Quack" while Nobel laureates in everything but Medicine or Physiology (and then only the ones with MDs) are denied that recognition.

The history is interesting. Lawyers are doctors too. Juris Doctorate or Doctor of Jurisprudence. I worked personal injury defense and dealt with lots of doctors charging fees for us to take their depositions. My head partner was always pissed when a chiropractor wanted the same fee as an orthopedist. He always refused to refer to a chiropractor as Doctor unless the chiropractor called him Doctor too, which never happened.

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Posted 12 April 2019 - 01:58 PM

A friend of mine holds a Eng.D. degree (Doctor of Engineering) instead of a Ph.D. in engineering (biomechanical). It was what UC Davis offered at the time, but it confuses students and faculty alike. She teaches in New Zealand now, but I'm not sure if it's any less confusing there than it was here.
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Posted 12 April 2019 - 02:43 PM

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Right now I'm organizing the schedule for a conference. Some of the speakers are MDs, some PhDs, some both, some neither. How to identify credentials in the program has been kind of an issue. We decided not to identify anyone as Dr. ___, but to list their degree(s) if they have a doctorate.
Some of the author lists in certain medical journals can be mind-numbing, unless that degree listing ends at the MD/PhD level: X, MD, PhD; Y, MPH; A, PhD; Z, MS; B, MD...

Good Luck with that conference.
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Posted 12 April 2019 - 06:28 PM

View PostBact PhD, on 12 April 2019 - 02:43 PM, said:

Good Luck with that conference.

Thank you!
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Posted 12 April 2019 - 06:29 PM

By the way, this video is a good explanation of what exactly we're seeing in the image and why it looks like it does.

https://www.youtube....h?v=zUyH3XhpLTo
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Posted 12 April 2019 - 09:19 PM

Well, depressingly (but not unexpectedly), Dr. Bouman is a target of sexist trolls.

Fortunately, many (including one of her male colleagues) are pushing back.

https://www.huffpost...4b098b9a2d2bb5d
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Posted 13 April 2019 - 07:09 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 12 April 2019 - 09:19 PM, said:

Well, depressingly (but not unexpectedly), Dr. Bouman is a target of sexist trolls.

Poor little incels. Can't have women who both reject them sexually but also outperform them intellectually.
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Posted 13 April 2019 - 09:44 AM

View PostBact PhD, on 12 April 2019 - 11:19 AM, said:

Once upon a time, I remember hearing that “correct” journalistic style dictated that only M.D.s and the like were to be referred to in reporting as “Dr.” OTOH, Ph.D.s mentioned were to be referred to as “Mr./Ms.” So, in the papers, my M.D. buddy gets named as “Dr. Miller,” or “S.B. Miller, M.D.”, whereas I would simply be “Ms. PhD” or “B. PhD”

That said, like baw1064, I rarely (I can think of one time in the last decade!) refer to myself as “Dr. PhD”. I don’t think I’ve even been addressed as “Dr. PhD” in some years.

From the NYT's FAQ on style:

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Our continued use of courtesy titles — increasingly rare in the news media — prompts many questions. Rules on the use of “Dr.” in particular can lead to confusion, for readers and unfortunately sometimes for our writers. Here’s our stylebook entry:

Dr. should be used in all references for physicians and dentists whose practice is their primary current occupation, or who work in a closely related field, like medical writing, research or pharmaceutical manufacturing: Dr. Alex E. Baranek; Dr. Baranek; the doctor. (Those who practice only incidentally, or not at all, should be called Mr., Ms., Miss or Mrs.)

Anyone else with an earned doctorate, like a Ph.D. degree, may request the title, but only if it is germane to the holder’s primary current occupation (academic, for example, or laboratory research). For a Ph.D., the title should appear only in second and later references. The holder of a Ph.D. or equivalent degree may also choose not to use the title.

https://afterdeadlin.../faqs-on-style/
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Posted 13 April 2019 - 06:24 PM

Caltech just posted a video of an hour-long presentation that Dr. Bouman gave on campus (she officially joins the faculty on June 1).

I'm sharing it because 1) she's awesome 2) the longer time allows a more relaxed explanation of the scientific background 3) because she's only been working in this field for a short time, she's maybe better at explaining it to the uninitiated 4) you can't watch too many cool science videos!

https://www.youtube....h?v=UGL_OL3OrCE

I particularly like the focus on avoiding bias in the image reconstruction--how do you know that you aren't doing things in such a way that you will see what you're expecting, whether it's actually what's really there?

It would be a good thing if people in other fields also took such pains to guard against confirmation bias...just saying.
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