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Posted 12 March 2019 - 03:26 PM

It's bad enough they get the goodies, now they get their kids involved in fraud. NOTE: I was of the opinion if you wanted to get your "less than stellar" rich kids into a big name university, you just paid full tuition. I did not realize it cost $ 1.2 Mil

FBI accuses wealthy parents, including celebrities, in college-entrance bribery scheme

The Justice Department on Tuesday charged 50 people — including two television stars — with being part of a long-running bribery scheme to get privileged children with lackluster grades into big-name colleges and universities.


The alleged crimes included cheating on entrance exams, as well as bribing college officials to say certain students were coming to compete on athletic teams when those students were not in fact athletes, officials said. Numerous schools were targeted, including Georgetown University, Yale University, Stanford University, the University of Texas, the University of Southern California and UCLA, among others.


Boston’s U.S. attorney, Andrew Lelling, called it the largest-ever college admissions scam prosecuted by the Justice Department. Of the 50 people charged as part of the FBI’s Operation Varsity Blues, 33 were parents, officials said, warning that the investigation is ongoing and that others could be charged.


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Two participants in the scheme are scheduled to enter guilty pleas Tuesday afternoon, prosecutors said. One is William Singer, a well-connected college admissions adviser and the central figure in the scheme, officials said. He is accused of disguising the bribery scheme as a charity, enabling parents to deduct the bribes from their taxes.


Singer is charged with taking about $25 million from 2011 to 2018 — paying some of it to college coaches or standardized-testing officials for their help rigging the admissions process and pocketing the rest, according to the criminal complaint. He allegedly disguised the money using a nonprofit, the Key Worldwide Foundation, prosecutors said, characterizing it as a slush fund for bribes.


That coach, Rudolph Meredith, allegedly took a $400,000 bribe to pretend to place a student on the team and help get her into the school, even though the student did not play competitive soccer, officials said. The student’s parents paid $1.2 million in bribes, officials said.



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Posted 12 March 2019 - 04:56 PM

I guess they didn't stick to good old fashioned institutional bribery, the type that got mediocre student George W. into and somehow through Harvard and Yale.
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Posted 12 March 2019 - 05:25 PM

View PostLFC, on 12 March 2019 - 04:56 PM, said:

I guess they didn't stick to good old fashioned institutional bribery, the type that got mediocre student George W. into and somehow through Harvard and Yale.

In W's case, there's also the legacy issue, which doesn't seem to have been a factor here.

The other point is that in many cases (having gone to one of the schools named in the article), often the harder it is to get in, the easier it is to stay in. So once in, it's not surprising one will get the degree. Now did they actually benefit from the educational opportunity (as opposed to just collecting a credential)? That's an open question.
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Posted 13 March 2019 - 05:08 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 12 March 2019 - 05:25 PM, said:

The other point is that in many cases (having gone to one of the schools named in the article), often the harder it is to get in, the easier it is to stay in. So once in, it's not surprising one will get the degree. .

We mentioned this "phenomenon" in one of my grad courses. The example was there were very few dropouts from Harvard Medical or Yale Law.
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Posted 13 March 2019 - 06:14 AM

View Postbaw1064, on 12 March 2019 - 05:25 PM, said:

The other point is that in many cases (having gone to one of the schools named in the article), often the harder it is to get in, the easier it is to stay in. So once in, it's not surprising one will get the degree. Now did they actually benefit from the educational opportunity (as opposed to just collecting a credential)? That's an open question.

As pointed out elsewhere, there are really two separate student bodies in the same campus at the big-name schools. If you're already a member of the "elite" (think Georgetown Prep) you come in as a member of the (for want of a better term) "in crowd." The shenanigans that we heard about Kavanaugh at Yale would have gotten a regular student booted in a flash, but not him. Likewise slacking academically (think "Gentleman's C").

On the other hand, it really is possible to get a good education at these schools too. You might never see the Nobel Laureates who help make their academic reputations, but you will be taking classes from people who do see and speak with them regularly and even coauthor papers with them. These are not by any means second-rank faculty. For that matter, the grad students who aren't being passed along on the "future leaders" track will also be very sharp.

You could look for an example of the latter in Sonia Sotomayor -- scholarship admission to Princeton, graduated summa cum laude, Yale law, top grad. Let nobody with a clue suspect that any of that came easy. Compare to Kavanaugh.
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Posted 13 March 2019 - 08:48 AM

The super wealthy have been buying access for their under-performing children for ever and assuring them of success both while in school and afterwards, so this should come as no shock.

Jared Kurshner, without anything near the typical requirements, gets into Harvard after his Dad's $2.5 million 'gift'.

So this just levels the playing field for the not-quite-wealthy-enough to donate 2 or 3 million dollars at a time, but can scrap up one or two hundred thousand in a pinch.

It's just fascinating the double standards that are employed (quite successfully I might add) when somebody like Donald Trump, who clearly lacks anything that would resemble a true education, and whose degree was obviously purchased, can then turn around and cast aspersions on the educational accomplishments of Obama, who just as obviously has a first-rate mind and applied it to actually learn a few things.

You can go to the best schools and get a good education, you can go to the so-called bad schools and get a good education, and Obama could do both while Trump couldn't do either. All we can do about it is try to recognize which is which, which just puts us in the tiny minority that even tries.

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 10:27 AM

Looks like lots of those accused are folding fast.

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A college admissions scandal moved from bombshell indictments to guilty pleas in a matter of hours, yet the full fallout from the federal case against the rich and famous could take months or more to unfold.

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 10:52 AM

Here's a list of parents who are implicated. It's more extensive than the two actresses that the media kept showing yesterday. I guess they were the only ones the media had pictures of.

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 12:11 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 13 March 2019 - 10:52 AM, said:

Here's a list of parents who are implicated. It's more extensive than the two actresses that the media kept showing yesterday. I guess they were the only ones the media had pictures of.

I wonder if the bar will be looking into this guy.

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Gordon Caplan, a lawyer and a co-chairman of the international law firm Willkie Farr & Gallagher

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 01:33 PM

View Postgolden_valley, on 13 March 2019 - 10:52 AM, said:

Here's a list of parents who are implicated. It's more extensive than the two actresses that the media kept showing yesterday. I guess they were the only ones the media had pictures of.

Schadenfreude Alert !!

Here's a little nuance that was mentioned in passing this morning: the parents made "charitable donations" to this organization and deducted that from their taxes. Guess what happens now ?
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Posted 13 March 2019 - 01:46 PM

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Schadenfreude Alert !!

Here's a little nuance that was mentioned in passing this morning: the parents made "charitable donations" to this organization and deducted that from their taxes. Guess what happens now ?
Tax fraud investigation?
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Posted 13 March 2019 - 02:09 PM

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Tax fraud investigation?

<Hollow graveyard laugh a la Vincent Price> (Or Snidely Whiplash if you prefer)
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Posted 13 March 2019 - 03:17 PM

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I've always wondered why people get so upset about affirmative action when the above way of getting into top schools was fairly well known.

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 04:45 PM

This student was involved in the scam with her parents. Sounds like the rotten apple didn't fall far from the rotten tree. Here's the opener but read the whole thing to see just what was done and how much it cost. It was NOT cheap.

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According to her LinkedIn page, Isabelle Henriquez is “a rapid learner” who enjoys “finding the problem and taking a step back to observe all possible solutions.”

According to the FBI, Isabelle Henriquez solved the problem of getting accepted into Georgetown University by knowingly cheating on her SATs—and participating in a $25 million cash-for-college scheme that could send her parents to prison.

Nearly three dozen wealthy parents were indicted as part of a vast confederacy of dunces on Tuesday, after federal investigators alleged that they shelled out millions of dollars to bribe, lie and cheat their children into some of the nation’s top universities.

But Isabelle is one of the only kids accused of willingly participating in the fraud—and now her Georgetown diploma may be in jeopardy.

She’s the daughter of Manuel and Elizabeth Henriquez, two of the 50 people charged in a $25 million cash-for-college scheme wherein wealthy parents allegedly plotted with an unscrupulous college preparatory business to buy spots at top-flight universities.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 04:55 PM

View PostLFC, on 13 March 2019 - 12:11 PM, said:

I wonder if the bar will be looking into this guy.

That didn't take long.

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Willkie Farr & Gallagher co-chairman Gordon Caplan has been placed on leave after a blockbuster federal complaint accused him of spending $75,000 on a bribe to boost his daughter’s ACT scores. “As widely reported, one of our partners, Gordon Caplan, was among the persons charged in the college admissions matter. This is a personal matter and does not involve Willkie or any of its clients,” the firm wrote in a statement sent to The Daily Beast. “In light of the seriousness of the matter, Mr. Caplan has been placed on a leave of absence from the Firm and will have no further Firm management responsibilities.”

The complaint accuses Caplan of paying middleman William Singer to hire someone to correct his daughter’s ACT exam once she had taken it, at a testing center in West Hollywood where Singer had bribed administrators. Singer and Caplan allegedly conspired to help his daughter, who had previously only scored a 22 on the exam, earn a 32. Caplan, along with 31 other parents, was charged with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and wire fraud Tuesday.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 05:05 PM

View PostLFC, on 13 March 2019 - 04:45 PM, said:

This student was involved in the scam with her parents. Sounds like the rotten apple didn't fall far from the rotten tree. Here's the opener but read the whole thing to see just what was done and how much it cost. It was NOT cheap.

As the parent of an ACTUAL scholar-athlete and relative by marriage to a one-time top-ranked amateur tennis player, this burns the drawers underneath my tennis skirt:

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Isabelle’s Georgetown application was submitted on Oct. 25, 2015. In it, the complaint alleges, she falsely stated that she played “club tennis” for 20 hours per week and was on the U.S. Tennis Association’s All-Academic Team. For good measure, Isabelle noted that she was ranked in the top 50 high schoolers on the USTA Junior Girls Tennis for three years, as well.

Boot her ass out. NOW. Do not pass “GO”.
Fire the complicit coach. YESTERDAY. Make it so another institution has to “show cause” [1] before he gets hired at ANY level.

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 05:12 PM

View PostBact PhD, on 13 March 2019 - 05:05 PM, said:

...this burns the drawers underneath my tennis skirt:

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" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 13 March 2019 - 05:18 PM

The Trumps and Kushners have legally purchased their way through elite schools for years.

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The future president began generously donating to the University of Pennsylvania right around the time that Donald Trump Jr. began classes there in 1996 and Ivanka Trump began doing so in 2000, although records are unclear as to the exact amount he gave during that period. In paying for his kids to get into the right school, Trump was following a precedent that had been used on his own behalf; Trump biographer Gwenda Blair wrote in 2001 that the future president was only able to obtain a transfer from Fordham University to Penn after being interviewed by an admissions officer who was friendly with Trump’s wealthy older brother, Freddy.

Then there is Jared Kushner, who as Dan Golden’s new ProPublica expose is a near perfect example of —how the rich game the college admissions system for their children:

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My book exposed a grubby secret of American higher education: that the rich buy their under-achieving children’s way into elite universities with massive, tax-deductible donations. It reported that New Jersey real estate developer Charles Kushner had pledged $2.5 million to Harvard University in 1998, not long before his son Jared was admitted to the prestigious Ivy League school. At the time, Harvard accepted about one of every nine applicants. (Nowadays, it only takes one out of twenty.)

Golden’s article also quotes a former official at The Frisch School in Paramus, New Jersey, where Kushner attended: “There was no way anybody in the administrative office of the school thought he would on the merits get into Harvard. His GPA did not warrant it, his SAT scores did not warrant it. We thought for sure, there was no way this was going to happen. Then, lo and behold, Jared was accepted. It was a little bit disappointing because there were at the time other kids we thought should really get in on the merits, and they did not.”

To be clear: When rich families like the Trumps and Kushners donate lavishly to colleges so that their children can be enrolled, far more often than not the practice is perfectly legal. The effect on our society, though, is no less devastating than when they break the law like Huffman and Loughlin are alleged to have done.

" 'Individual conscience' means that women only get contraceptives if their employers, their physicians, their pharmacists, their husbands and/or fathers, pastors, and possibly their mayors, Governors, State Secretaries of Health, Congressmen, Senators, and President all agree that in that particular case they're justifiable." --D.C. Sessions

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Posted 14 March 2019 - 12:40 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 13 March 2019 - 06:14 AM, said:

On the other hand, it really is possible to get a good education at these schools too. You might never see the Nobel Laureates who help make their academic reputations, but you will be taking classes from people who do see and speak with them regularly and even coauthor papers with them. These are not by any means second-rank faculty. For that matter, the grad students who aren't being passed along on the "future leaders" track will also be very sharp.

I did actually get to take three classes from (present or future) Nobel Laureates (one was an introductory class taught by someone who, even though he probably had his choice of teaching assignments, seemed to like introducing new students to the field). And my classmates were similarly talented and hard working--one of them later won a Nobel prize himself. OTOH, physics doesn't tend to be the major of choice for those whose parents had to pull stings to get them in.

As others have said, someone who is motivated can get a good education almost anywhere. It's quite inspiring and motivating, though (at least for me), to be surrounded by a whole lot of bright, dedicated people who spend their time trying to think outside the box. To my mind, it's a waste of a great opportunity not to put in as effort as you can to reap the benefits if you are lucky enough to find yourself in that environment.

I think the larger problem may be that this is another example of universities becoming seen as less about education and more about credentialing.
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Posted 14 March 2019 - 09:45 AM

There is so much messed up in the higher education area that it is hard to know where to begin, but the schools themselves are only party to blame (though they certainly share the blame). There are many external forces at work.

My own flagship state school is renowned in engineering. But it's Illinois, so state funding has been a mess. It considered going private a few years back. But, as a consequence of always being under the gun for money, they heavily recruited international students, and now have nearly 5000 Chinese students, and more than 10% of the freshman class are Chinese alone. I understand they where put in a difficult situation and had to make the best of it they could.

Culturally, we are just obsessed with valuing things in a way that have little to do with educational quality: athletic, rankings, acceptance rates (when did admitting the fewest students to higher quality colleges become a desirable thing?), etc.





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