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Posted 26 February 2019 - 05:13 PM

Modern Monetary Theory is apparently the next big thing. I have to admit that I've read both Josh Marshall's explanation and his linked Paul Krugman explanation and it's definitely more than a bit confusing. I figured I'd post it here to see if any of you know about this (or want to read up on it) and have definitive opinions. Perhaps I'm just a simple creature but theories that allow one to leave behind basic math make me more than a bit skeptical and believing that this stinks to high heaven of yet another something for nothing scheme (like Tinkle Down Economics) but then I'm not an economist.

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I find that as often as not I agree with Matt Bruenig on policy matters. But those points of agreement can be obscured for me by differences of temperament and politics. Here though I find myself entirely in agreement with him on something called Modern Monetary Theory. You may not even have heard this phrase before. But you should and probably will soon. If you haven’t, you should familiarize yourself with it because it bulks very large in many current debates within the Democratic Party that you have heard about. It’s a big deal. Bruenig aptly describes it as “about using word games to make people believe that the US can have Northern European levels of government spending without Northern European levels of taxation.”

It’s not easy to simply explain what MMT is because it operates at several distinct and not always closely related levels.

At its simplest MMT states that government spending is not funded by taxing money or borrowing it. Taxes serve other purposes but getting money to pay for things is not actually one of them. As one of its top popularizing advocates put it, “Taxing the super rich at 70 or 80 percent is good in itself, because those people have too much money and are screwing up the world with it. But you don’t need it to fund an agenda.” In fact, all government spending, says MMT, is funded by printing money. At a very high level of abstraction there’s a way in which this redefinition of terms makes a certain sense. Indeed, there are elements of MMT that are similar to basic Keynesian economic theory – sort of Keynesianism on steroids or perhaps Keynesianism without a theory of inflation. For a more knowledgable and technical discussion see these two columns (one and two) Paul Krugman wrote on the question of MMT earlier this month. For pro-MMT arguments Stephanie Kelton is probably the most prominent advocate. You can see her arguments at her website.

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 05:14 PM

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 05:17 PM

Didn't Sinan bring this up a while back?

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 08:45 PM

Looks like we have been practicing MMT anyway. The idea seems to be do not worry about taxation levels just print money.

That will mean shares rise in value without improving their fundamentals and savings go down in real value. Workers will continually need to bargain for a livable wage because it is constantly being eroded and the system will be stable because the working class absorb the shocks.

That looks exactly like where we are today. So what is new in MMT?
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Posted 26 February 2019 - 10:19 PM

View PostBeelzebuddy, on 26 February 2019 - 05:17 PM, said:

Didn't Sinan bring this up a while back?

Found it

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 02:43 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 26 February 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

Looks like we have been practicing MMT anyway. The idea seems to be do not worry about taxation levels just print money.

Yeah. And I've been speaking prose all my life without knowing it. Just like Monsieur Jourdain in Molière's play.
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 03:50 AM

Peutetre je suis le poete malgre moi. ???

I think the whole point of inflation is it favors share holders, keeps salaries in the negotiation zone and diminishes savings. Of course if you put the teaser 'New' in front of a title then it must be better, more modern. But it simply isn't, it is just promotion.
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 04:21 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 27 February 2019 - 03:50 AM, said:

Peutetre je suis le poete malgre moi. ???

"One peut-être, two peut-être, three peut-être, four;
"Five peut-être, six peut-être, seven peut-être, more!"

It's only economics, so my bollockspeak is as good or better than that of Friedman, Milton, Marx, Keynes or whoever.
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 04:43 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 27 February 2019 - 04:21 AM, said:

"One peut-être, two peut-être, three peut-être, four;
"Five peut-être, six peut-être, seven peut-être, more!"

It's only economics, so my bollockspeak is as good or better than that of Friedman, Milton, Marx, Keynes or whoever.
Your Bollock speak is the best I have ever heard Rich T, In fact I suspect we shared a similar education. So did you ever read 'Le Medecin Malgre Lui' by Moliere? Our French teacher was most keen to let us know about French society at that time and the stories 'inner meaning', which was to cast fun on the medical profession.

So my 'Je suis le poete malgre moi' was a remark of introspection and self castigation to purify myself and not meant inflame feelings.
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 05:00 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 27 February 2019 - 04:43 AM, said:

Your Bollock speak is the best I have ever heard Rich T, In fact I suspect we shared a similar education. So did you ever read 'Le Medecin Malgre Lui' by Moliere? Our French teacher was most keen to let us know about French society at that time and the stories 'inner meaning', which was to cast fun on the medical profession.

Stand by to be disappointed, George! I only did French up to O Level (God, how that information dates me! I passed it in 1965); admittedly I got Grade As in both the written and oral exams. I've never read a word of Molière in French or English; I'm recalling a brief synopsis of the plot in an amazing 1930s publication called the "Children's Encyclopedia". They put the thing about prose in just because it was one of the juicy bits.
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 05:19 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 27 February 2019 - 05:00 AM, said:

Stand by to be disappointed, George! I only did French up to O Level (God, how that information dates me! I passed it in 1965); admittedly I got Grade As in both the written and oral exams. I've never read a word of Molière in French or English; I'm recalling a brief synopsis of the plot in an amazing 1930s publication called the "Children's Encyclopedia". They put the thing about prose in just because it was one of the juicy bits.
I will never feel disappointed with you Rich T, besides, I never got grade A's so you have my deepest respect. I actually joined 'The French Club' and hammered my way through 'Le Rouge Et Le Noire' with a dictionary by my side. I had a fling with Italian at one point because I had 'multa pudica' (modest) lady friend near Milano. Her family were from Sicily and the most I got was a peck on the cheek. I was happy with that.
Of course my last language fling was Chinese and for a similar reason only this time I got married and my life ended there.

Better let the professionals have their columns back or we will be directed to the community pages for disobedience.
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 06:26 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 27 February 2019 - 05:19 AM, said:

Better let the professionals have their columns back or we will be directed to the community pages for disobedience.

Nah. The other guys are used to thread drift; it usually sorts itself out. As to the other issue, the only guy with plenary moderator powers is Charles, alias cmk, who (if we can believe his posts at the time) was stretchered off the field, a broken man, on the morning that the pussy grabber's win was announced. (Why, I myself searched the house desperately for pearls to clutch!)

I picture him on a chaise longue with cold wet towels applied to his fevered brow, and mugs of soothing camomile tea served regularly by flunkeys. If he allows himself to be sucked back in he'll have a terrible relapse! Let us leave him in peace for now.

My thoughts and—but enough, quite enough.
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 06:52 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 27 February 2019 - 06:26 AM, said:

Nah. The other guys are used to thread drift; it usually sorts itself out. As to the other issue, the only guy with plenary moderator powers is Charles, alias cmk, who (if we can believe his posts at the time) was stretchered off the field, a broken man, on the morning that the pussy grabber's win was announced. (Why, I myself searched the house desperately for pearls to clutch!)

I picture him on a chaise longue with cold wet towels applied to his fevered brow, and mugs of soothing camomile tea served regularly by flunkeys. If he allows himself to be sucked back in he'll have a terrible relapse! Let us leave him in peace for now.

My thoughts and—but enough, quite enough.
I will forego the trauma of any sentient being viewing Trump steal their Presidency but I have got to envy the man who can rustle up flunkies to serve him chamomile tea. Notice that I dodged the (immediate) chance to point out your spelling error. By the way, pearls are a mugs game, go digital young man, put a virus on his computer and demand a fee to unfreeze it.
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 07:06 AM

I'm only picturing the chaise longue. I've never clapped eyes on the man (peace be upon him!), or heard his voice.

I've just checked. I drink the camomile tea I buy in Morrisons supermarket (their own brand) and it's spelt that way on the packet. So there! What's your next riposte? That Morrisons are common as muck 'cos they drop their aitches?
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 07:06 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 27 February 2019 - 06:26 AM, said:

I picture him on a chaise longue with cold wet towels applied to his fevered brow, and mugs of soothing camomile tea served regularly by flunkeys. If he allows himself to be sucked back in he'll have a terrible relapse! Let us leave him in peace for now.
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FYI Vermont has passed a recreational marijuana law... Chamomile Tea may not quite make it.
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 07:16 AM

View Postandydp, on 27 February 2019 - 07:06 AM, said:

FYI Vermont has passed a recreational marijuana law... Chamomile Tea may not quite make it.

Whaaat? If Charles quaffs a half-pint of camomile they'll bust him as if he was smoking a spliff? Isn't Vermont supposed to be an ultra-liberal state, like California?
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 07:27 AM

View PostGeorge Rowell, on 26 February 2019 - 08:45 PM, said:

Looks like we have been practicing MMT anyway. The idea seems to be do not worry about taxation levels just print money.

That will mean shares rise in value without improving their fundamentals and savings go down in real value. Workers will continually need to bargain for a livable wage because it is constantly being eroded and the system will be stable because the working class absorb the shocks.

That looks exactly like where we are today. So what is new in MMT?

Don't forget that it also devalues debt -- which, considering the indebtedness of the average American, can be quite a windfall. Some of my classmates in the early 70s scandalized their families by going overboard on expensive starter homes, only to have the mortgages devalued to a fraction of their original value in "fraction of annual income" terms a decade later.

Anyway, here's someone who's a bit more informed on MMT:

http://nymag.com/int...any-easier.html
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 07:50 AM

View PostD. C. Sessions, on 27 February 2019 - 07:27 AM, said:

Don't forget that it also devalues debt -- which, considering the indebtedness of the average American, can be quite a windfall. Some of my classmates in the early 70s scandalized their families by going overboard on expensive starter homes, only to have the mortgages devalued to a fraction of their original value in "fraction of annual income" terms a decade later.

Anyway, here's someone who's a bit more informed on MMT:

http://nymag.com/int...any-easier.html
I would like to leave this take away from the article you linked.

None of those countries that have single-payer health care needed MMT to make it work. They did it the conventional way, by taxing the public. Maybe that’s a sign that that’s the best way to implement such programs. Or maybe it just reflects the fact that you’d still need to tax the citizenry to implement single-payer health care, even with an MMT worldview.
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Posted 27 February 2019 - 09:32 AM

Timing is everything. Essentially, every other developed country instituted some form of universal health care back when it was a rounding error in their national budgets -- before it got expensive. After that, the choice between having the tax man collect the bills or having some unaccountable intermediaries taking 20-30% (each) off the top to get less coverage was rightly seen as insane.

The USA did it as a tax dodge in WWII: with wage caps on labor in a super-tight labor market, the only differentiator that companies could use to differentiate themselves was benefits, and thus employer-paid health insurance. Once established, it became incredibly hard to root out, and is to this day. That was the real point of Obama's "keep your insurance:" it wasn't targeted at individuals, it was aimed at employers, unions, etc. -- those same intermediaries that are so uniquely American and which contribute so much to our impossibly expensive, inefficient, and incomplete [1] "system."

Thus my disdain for the "revolutionaries:" this is not going to be a wave of the hand overnight conversion.

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Posted 27 February 2019 - 09:38 AM

View PostRich T Bikkies, on 27 February 2019 - 07:16 AM, said:

Whaaat? If Charles quaffs a half-pint of camomile they'll bust him as if he was smoking a spliff? Isn't Vermont supposed to be an ultra-liberal state, like California?

"Not quite make it" is American speak for "you can find something better". Chamomile Tea is just so grandmotherly. (Though great grandma had some good times with the cocaine cough syrup)
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